schoeps MK4 or MK41 (to start)

[opareja]

Hola amigos

Hello people, this is my first post to this list. I just have joined
one minute ago. I'm Omar pareja, young sound recordist/ designer
from Lima, Peru


I've been working in a film/sound studio here, and after saving some
money,I want to buy my first professional mic.. I decided for Schoeps
modular system since this are the mics that we use here and they sound
great..

I have read and now I know about some amplifiers CMC and capsules MK,
but still I didn't decide about which capsule should I start with..

should I start with the classic MK4 cardioid, or should I buy KM41
hyper cardioid..???

I should say that this mic will be used mostly as boom mic in location
recording in and out doors for short films and some commercial
spots....

I'm still in doubt about that, maybe you guys. with your expericnce may
give me some good advice... That I will really appreciate

saludos

Omar Pareja

[William Sarokin]

Hola Omar,
Welcome aboard. I think you'll find the MK41 Hyper Cardioid the most useful
capsule. It's very directional yet very forgiving for off axis sounds. I
own many mics, but 99% of the time I use the Schoeps and a Sennheiser MKH
60. If I only had one, it would be the Schoeps.

Make sure you also purchase a good zeppelin and windjammer for exterior use.
And when you can get away with it, try the Schoeps naked, without anything
on (the mic).

Also, once or twice a year, clean the contacts and the white plastic
material between the contacts with a tooth pick and a little alcohol.

Buenos Suerte,
Billy Sarokin

[Jim Rillie]

Post by opareja
Hola amigos
Hello people, this is my first post to this list. I just have joined
one minute ago. I'm Omar pareja, young sound recordist/ designer
from Lima, Peru
I've been working in a film/sound studio here, and after saving some
money,I want to buy my first professional mic.. I decided for Schoeps
modular system since this are the mics that we use here and they sound
great..
I have read and now I know about some amplifiers CMC and capsules MK,
but still I didn't decide about which capsule should I start with..
should I start with the classic MK4 cardioid, or should I buy KM41
hyper cardioid..???
I should say that this mic will be used mostly as boom mic in location
recording in and out doors for short films and some commercial
spots....
I'm still in doubt about that, maybe you guys. with your expericnce may
give me some good advice... That I will really appreciate
saludos
Omar Pareja

Omar, for what you want to use it for, it's the MK41 for sure. You will
need a good suspension/ wind screen/windjammer
or equivalent as well. The MK4 is seriously good, but in most instances
with frame sizes varying , you'll need the pull of the MK41 a lot of the
time.

Regards,

Jim Rillie
Production sound mixer

[Brad Harper]

I have six MK41 capsules and two MK4 capsules. The MK41 is the best capsule
Schoeps makes. You won't be sorry. Unlike the others that have responded
thus far, I don't like the Schoeps in a Rycote rig. I would suggest the W5D
and B5D windscreens. The W5D is my favorite because it seems to have less
effect on the polar response of the mic, although, I end up using the B5D
most of the time indoors just because of it's size. For exteriors I will use
a B5D inside a windscreen for an RE20 (or U87) and then use a Rycote
Windjammer over the whole thing. I got this tip from Jeff Wexler.

Enjoy the Schoeps and like Billy says "try it naked"

Brad Harper

[William Sarokin]

Hi Brad,
What are the W5D and B5D's? who makes them?
Thanks,
Billy

[Oleg Kaizerman]

http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/windscreens-foam-hollow.html#w5d

[Brad Harper]

What he said. The W5D and B5D both have a plastic cage that fits over the
mic and seperates the foam material so that there is an empty space between
the foam and the capsule. The outer covering is a velour type similar to the
MKH60 windscreens.

Brad Harper

Post by Oleg Kaizerman
http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/windscreens-foam-hollow.html#w5d
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

Post by William Sarokin
Hi Brad,
What are the W5D and B5D's? who makes them?
Thanks,
Billy

[b***@uol.com.br]

Post by William Sarokin
Hi Brad,
What are the W5D and B5D's? who makes them?
Thanks,
Billy

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For my ears, MK41 with B5D suffers important alteration in the
sonority.

Gabriel

[unknown]

Post by Brad Harper
I have six MK41 capsules and two MK4 capsules. The MK41 is the best capsule
Schoeps makes. You won't be sorry. Unlike the others that have responded
thus far, I don't like the Schoeps in a Rycote rig. I would suggest the W5D
and B5D windscreens. The W5D is my favorite because it seems to have less
effect on the polar response of the mic, although, I end up using the B5D
most of the time indoors just because of it's size. For exteriors I will use
a B5D inside a windscreen for an RE20 (or U87) and then use a Rycote
Windjammer over the whole thing. I got this tip from Jeff Wexler.
Enjoy the Schoeps and like Billy says "try it naked"

I tried the W5D a couple of years back and didn't like how it colored
the sound. IIRC, it seemed to affect the lows (probably a "pattern"
thing) as well as the highs. For indoors I have a double foam
windscreen with one foam ball inside another one with a differen
density. It is more effective than a single ball and, in a direct
comparison, seemed to affect the sound less than the W5D did.

For exteriors I normally use a Sennheiser but I have a custom modified
Softie for the Schoeps just in case. And, yes, the Softie does affect
the sound.

I seldom mic naked these days since the Schoeps is so sensitive to any
air moving around it. Even a simple boom movement or air movement in
the room can be cause for concern.

John Blankenship, C.A.S.
Indianapolis
(email: my initials at mw daht net)



[Jeff C]

I am in agreement with the 41 capsule as a first. If you talk to Jerry
Bruck at Posthorn recordings in NY he will be most informative
regarding the sound coloration of different wind screens on Schoeps
Capsules. Personally I don't think the difference matters. The B5d
teardrop is as close to a naked mike I want to get and for everthing
else I'll use a zepplin furbie combination as needed to attunuate
windnoise.

Jeff C

[b***@uol.com.br]

Post by Jeff C
I am in agreement with the 41 capsule as a first. If you talk to Jerry
Bruck at Posthorn recordings in NY he will be most informative
regarding the sound coloration of different wind screens on Schoeps
Capsules. Personally I don't think the difference matters. The B5d
teardrop is as close to a naked mike I want to get and for everthing
else I'll use a zepplin furbie combination as needed to attunuate
windnoise.
Jeff C

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The density of the material used in the windscreen of MKH60 also ruins
the sound.

Gabriel

[T***@hotmail.com]

I personally favor the W 20 windscreen. It's a lightweight plastic
basket covered with nylon. I didn't notice any coloration of the sound
using it.

Diego

[b***@uol.com.br]

With the W20, the sonority is weak and the sound is rough.

Gabriel

[Brad Harper]

Gabriel,

However weak the sonority is for all these windscreens the wind is worse.
What do you suggest?

Brad Harper

Post by b***@uol.com.br
With the W20, the sonority is weak and the sound is rough.
Gabriel

[Oleg Kaizerman]

the w-20 kill the low end completely , the 2 foams with the fur is much
better way as you say
for stereo rig I still use the ricotta since never found something better
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

Post by Brad Harper
Gabriel,
However weak the sonority is for all these windscreens the wind is worse.
What do you suggest?
Brad Harper

Post by b***@uol.com.br
With the W20, the sonority is weak and the sound is rough.
Gabriel

[b***@uol.com.br]

Post by Brad Harper
Gabriel,
However weak the sonority is for all these windscreens the wind is worse.
What do you suggest?
Brad Harper

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For interns you can use, for example, the windscreen of MKH50
(arresting with elastic band).
For external, W20RI (plastic basket with windjammer) or the zeppelin of
MKH50.

Gabriel

[jeff]

The girls I dated in who belonged to sonoritys were pretty rough. But that
was a good thing. You guys crack me up.

Post by b***@uol.com.br

Post by Brad Harper
Gabriel,
However weak the sonority is for all these windscreens the wind is worse.
What do you suggest?
Brad Harper

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
For interns you can use, for example, the windscreen of MKH50
(arresting with elastic band).
For external, W20RI (plastic basket with windjammer) or the zeppelin of
MKH50.
Gabriel

[Brad Harper]

I've never heard the word "sonority" used before. I just try to keep the
breeze off the capsule without destroying the sound of the mic. I guess that
is "sonority".

I thought there was just math involved; I hated English class.

Brad Harper

Post by jeff
The girls I dated in who belonged to sonoritys were pretty rough. But that
was a good thing. You guys crack me up.

Post by Brad Harper
Gabriel,
However weak the sonority is for all these windscreens the wind is

worse.

Post by Brad Harper
What do you suggest?
Brad Harper

[Karl W. Lohninger]

but you do know the difference between sonority and sorority.....right?

Karl

Post by jeff
The girls I dated in who belonged to sonoritys were pretty rough. But that
was a good thing. You guys crack me up.

[rick]

Hello Omar

The Schoeps has been one of the main mic's used in film since the early
70's. You are not mistaken in wanting to buy them. What no one has
mentioned is that it would be wise to own two amps and two capsules. If
only to have the second one as a backup. I only know of one poster who
has not had a problem with humidity and living in South America I would
think you might. In damp weather sometimes be it the amp or the head{I
have changed both the head and amp to solve the problem} you will have
to switch out the mic you are using due to the mic starting to make its
own sounds making the mic unusable until it is dried out.
The MK41 is used 90% of the time but the MK4 is a really nice sounding
capsule and I used it as often as possiable.
All said if you want to buy a couple of amps and caps it just so
happens I have some to sell. please contact me off ramps if you are
interested at ***@aol.com

Yours. Rick

Post by opareja
Hola amigos
Hello people, this is my first post to this list. I just have joined
one minute ago. I'm Omar pareja, young sound recordist/ designer
from Lima, Peru
I've been working in a film/sound studio here, and after saving some
money,I want to buy my first professional mic.. I decided for Schoeps
modular system since this are the mics that we use here and they sound
great..
I have read and now I know about some amplifiers CMC and capsules MK,
but still I didn't decide about which capsule should I start with..
should I start with the classic MK4 cardioid, or should I buy KM41
hyper cardioid..???
I should say that this mic will be used mostly as boom mic in location
recording in and out doors for short films and some commercial
spots....
I'm still in doubt about that, maybe you guys. with your expericnce may
give me some good advice... That I will really appreciate
saludos
Omar Pareja

[b***@uol.com.br]

The Rick is right. Schoeps doesn't like humidity and has a kitten
inside of the
capsule that meows in when submitted to the humid air. Schoeps is also
generous with lateral noise undesirable.
If I had to only buy a microphone, it would never be a Schoeps.

Gabriel